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How is Dany on a path to madness?



first of all: dont get me wrong i love dany

we all now that dany isnt emotionally stable. after everything that has happened to her: for once, viserys, the only family she had in her life was an abusive piece of shit and (clearly) mad (but thats a completely other issue and even this is argued about), then her marriage to khal drogo and him raping her, when she was only 13, causing her to romanticize their marriage and thinking that she loved him, when in fact it could never be healthy, oh and yeah, viserys being killed by her husband, who was, in fact, not better than viserys.

those issues are of course main points why she isn’t the sanest person. but, as a 16 year old girl she has handled it very well so far. she is still trying to be strong for everyone, her folk and she herself knows that she isnt smart and experienced enough. 

lets look away from all the scenes the show gives us, because they only show us how **badass** she is and just throw in some dragons. i, on my place, dont care about them, tbh those scenes are getting on my nerves. 

thats a fifteen year old girl burning down people theres nothing cool about that (same with arya killing people). 

we all know about the “madness and greatness” quote.

(…) once told me that madness and greatness are two sides of the same coin. Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods toss a coin in the air and the world holds its breath to see how it will land.

it is very common for the targaryen to be mad, (i guess its because of all the incest). but you have to keep in mind, the world isnt black or white, or mad and great, its not divided. in my opnion dany has both- madness and greatness. she still has a good heart and struggles with her morals and emotions to do things which lead to chaos, but she does it anyways.

here’s the difference: while other mad targaryens probably dont even care what their actions lead in, dany does. but she does it anyway, and thats where the difference ends. even IF she feels bad about that, she still did it, didnt she.

and now we come to the real part of everything: dany’s storyline in meeren. i think its the most important for her and shows her struggle. there are so many quests and porblems coming in her way that tests her again and again. 

i couldnt have said it better

With that in mind, a closer look reveals that Dany’s plotline in Meereen has been very cleverly designed as a series of tests of her values, and one value in particular. Each test is designed to ask — how far will Dany go to make peace and protect innocent life? With nearly every new chapter, Dany is asked to give up something else she wants or desires, for the good of the Meereenese people. The use of her dragons. A share of power in Meereen. Some of her anti-slavery reforms. Her desire for vengeance. Her desire to right every wrong she sees. Her distaste for cultural practices she finds abhorrent. Her sexual autonomy. Her happiness. Her pride. Her chance at Westeros. (x)

dont get me wrong, dany has the best intentions. ending slavery. but that just doesnt work out, as we know from the books. and when she enters meeren she’s violent. she stays in meeren because she knows she cant go away like before, since that would cause even more chaos.

after drogon killed a girl, and we all know dany and her dragons (especially drogon) are connected. she thinks about what they’re capable of, how dangerous they are and that all goes back to her. she realizes that yes, she is capable of violence. she uses it when she’s angry and becomes cruel. her fears of becoming mad like all the other targaryens and she questions herself whether or not she is mad or on the path of madness are taking over her thoughts.

she responds violence with violence. 

  1. we all know that if dany would ever conquer westeros and take it over she will probably burn most people who did her/her family wrong. or at least she states so
  2.  slave traders made a decision as a group to crucify 163 children. And she made a decision to punish them as a group by crucifying 163 slave traders…. 

i am not saying that the slave traders “didnt deserve it” or that they werent bad people. but lets be real, she is really kind of going down the path of madness here. 

on the other hand: why does dany think she is the rightful queen of westeros? she think westeros is “hers by right”, a land she never even saw and hasnt lived in. thats the same with all the colonies she’s doing right now (meeren). she isn’t one of them, why should she be their queen? i think, personally, that she’s trying to make a home for herself but to be honest doesn’t really want to go anywhere. here a quick reminder: i like dany. dany has no home, and if she thinks of home she thinks of the red door, because she grew up there. but westeros? something in her head, just like with the post-drogosdeath-thing makes her think that she will find home in westeros. 

which i really doubt she ever will. she might not be content with westeros, because, yeah, after she conquers westeros: what will follow? i cant say i know it, but lets be real people, what do you think will people do? will they love dany for conquering them with her dragons and burning down cities? 

the thing with dany is still: she’s a young girl and everything is still before her. she can still change and find piece; i am not saying that she’ll be 100% mad (which i never said since i stated that she has madness AND greatness). i think its also very hard for her since jorah, one of the first persons she trusted after she was married to drogo, “betrayed” her. it’s hard for her to trust anybody after that, which is, of course, understandable.

either she’s enshrined as a badass conqueror or she’s derided for making horrible choices.  it’s a problem within fandom that these two traits aren’t often acknowledged to be able to coexist; she is both fierce conqueror and misguided, arrogant teenage girl (also frightened, lonely girl, but that’s a different topic).  she is greatness and madness.  there’s no point in dividing a coin down the side; it’ll always have another one.  acknowledge both. (x)

Yeah, I’m just not seeing it. Exactly which of her actions are in any way indicative of madness? “Responding to violence with violence” isn’t madness at all—it’s a moral problem of justice vs revenge, of consolidating power, of the value of a human life. I mean, responding to violence with violence is a fundamentally human action in the world of ASOAIF—see Tywin Lannister, see Oberyn Martell, see Wyman Manderly, etc etc etc. Would you call all of the adult Westerosi men who respond to violence with violence mad? Disagreeing with her actions doesn’t mean your argument holds water—it means you think her actions are immoral. (Also are you simply forgetting that when the Sons of the Harpy continue to kill her freed slaves, she continues not to enact vengeance on her child hostages?)

Furthermore, you’ve made quite a number of assertions that her attempt to end slavery in the East “just isn’t working out.” Yet we have plenty of evidence to the contrary. Not only has she fundamentally broken Slaver’s Bay, but she poses such an enormous threat to slavery that Volantis has begun amassing an army against her. Additionally, I think there’s a very good argument to be made that all of Dany’s sacrifices, both personal and political, to make Mereen a more stable state were actually working (see: the Mereneese Blot). The reason that region has been tipped into chaos is that her attempts to free the slaves are working, and the disruption of an economic resource like human slaves will always create chaos before coming to a new order (see: the American Civil War for God’s sakes). 

Honestly, I get so sick of this argument that Dany is mad—we’re given literally every indication from the text that she is absolutely sane, but is also in a situation with very few good choices. I mean, what do you think madness is? Every decision she makes is thoughtfully considered—even if it’s the wrong decision. Her interpersonal relationships are strong and thoughtful—she trusts Barristan, Missandei, Grey Worm, the few people who actually care for her, and she sets good and necessary boundaries for herself. She’s constantly attempting to untangle the threads of justice and vengeance and order—see especially her mass pardon for any crimes committed during the Sack of Mereen. These are difficult choices. And her decisions are in no way indicative of madness. And I find this fandom’s continued assertion of Dany’s madness to be so ignorant of the text that it’s appalling, especially when we would never consider men like Tywin, Walder Frey, Roose Bolton, Oberyn and Doran Martell, Robert Baratheon, Wyman Manderly, (ETC ETC ETC) to be mad, which isn’t even speaking to how you’ve conflated traits like arrogance and misguidedness with actual clinical paranoia. Listen: we can criticize her as a moral individual every day of the week, but ascribing madness to a character who’s informed, thoughtful decisions we disagree with is the worst sort of ideated interpretation, especially when it only applies to the teenage girl, and never the adult men in power.


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no but galaxy quest is legitimately the best movie ever

  • it’s a love letter to fandom — it totally subverts the “gross man-child in the basement” perception of a fanboy and it’s the fans’ dedication to the show that saves the day
  • i repeat: the fandom saves everyone’s lives
  • the omega-13 is such a cool idea like it tosses out the paradoxes involved in time travel by so sharply limiting the amount of time you can go back: it only gives you enough time to undo one terrible mistake, and only if it’s so bad and so huge that you realize immediately how bad it is
  • like no this is a parody movie but it has a smarter plot and more interesting characters and more genuine emotion than like ninety percent of serious sci-fi movies
  • tony shaloub spends the whole movie high as balls
  • the aliens are actually, you know, aliens and the reason they look human and speak english is actually addressed and justified
  • it’s absolutely hysterical like guy fleegman is one of the funniest characters ever filmed i just
  • alan rickman gives me life
  • the hero that comes in at the last second to save the ship and the thermians and the whole crew is a teenage fanboy who succeeds because he’s a fan do you understand how amazing that is like patrick stewart initially refused to watch the movie because it looked like it would be cruel to the fans but then he was almost in tears when he actually saw it because it got fandom right and it’s all about the fans
  • no but the whole plot is centered around people (and aliens) being inspired by fictional heroes and believing in them and using that belief to give them strength and hope and going to great lengths to create amazing things or work up beautiful, accurate theories out of nothing more than love that’s amazing
  • this movie is freaking perfect okay
  • freaking
  • perfect

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t’aint enough sparkles


"All these young girls getting themselves pregnant"

Wow, self impregnating teenage girls, these men should be afraid, we as woman are evolving at alarming rates.



people who demand “realistic” fanfics need to stop. i don’t read fanfic to see my otp fighting over taxes

#now i want to see all my otps fighting over taxes [x]


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if pokemon were real don’t you think catching legendaries would be highly illegal

that would be like coming home with jesus in a ball